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LUOA meets with Mayor to discuss SLU Up-Zone

Lake Union Opportunity Alliance Re-Zone Proposal

The Lake Union Opportunity Alliance (LUOA), which now has a presence on this blog – wave to Kevin McCarthy – thanks to our new open platform, had the chance to sit down with Mayor Greg Nickels today to discuss their position on the South Lake Union Up-Zone:


We presented to the Mayor, the background on LUOA, our activities to date, and our advocacy position which is:

1. Do a comprehensive Urban Plan and Design on what kind of community we want and what public amenities will be included and how they will be funded, before setting the zoning. The current city planning seems to be doing it backwards, define the zoning and then maybe we’ll add the public amenities. That backwards approach hasn’t worked in Belltown, why would we believe it would work in SLU.

2. Eliminate the City’s Alternatives #1 and #2 – they would rezone all of South Lake Union (SLU) outside of Cascade to either 300’ or 400’ and even upzone Cascade to 160’. This would create a ‘mountain of concrete’, 3/4 mile long and 1/2 mile wide, that would be up to 100’ taller than the top of Capital Hill and Queen Anne. They would potentially add up to 130 towers of 300’ or 400’ height. These alternatives are inconsistent with the Seattle Comprehensive Plan, the SLU Neighborhood Plan and the comments of 80 to 90% of the public. These alternatives have been criticized in writing by the Space Needle Corporation, Washington State Department of Transportation – Aviation Divison, the Floating Home Association, and about 30 individuals.

3. Include the LUOA Alternative that has 240’ height only along Denny Way, steeply steps down to 40’ at Lake Union, and includes provisions for public amenities, view corridors, green streets and a active center for the neighborhood.

We believe the Mayor understood our position and the support we had from the community, and that he and the City will take our position into account in future actions. We were told that in about a month the City will select the alternatives to be studied for the EIS [emph. added]. We did not receive any commitment to include our LUOA Alternative, but, in our opinion, it would be difficult to ignore the 80 – 90% of the public comments that support this position.

It will be interesting to see if the City (the Mayor) backs down on the issue of building heights. Taller buildings don't have to block views and do not preclude neighborhood amenities. They are, however, a smart use of urban land. I guess we'll know in a month.

A full recap of their meeting is available on the new-and-improved LUOA blog (hey, that's my turf!)

Rezone.
Vancouver style skinny residential towers would be great for SLU. I would much prefer tall skinny towers to more full block Mirabella style development.

and LUOA... it's Capit'o'l Hill
Comment by cheesecake
January 26, 2009
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Diverse Design
I agree with 'cheesecake'.

Seattle should start taking notes from our northern and southern metropolitan neighbors. Vancouver executes a livable urban core with diverse and interesting architecture--and so does Portland. Let's hold developers accountable for putting up ugly buildings and help them see what people in Seattle appreciate.

Slog had and interesting blog entry with this tune: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/22/enough_
Comment by mlloyd
January 27, 2009
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Thanks for the wave
Glad to contribute to The Southlake.

mlloyd, exactly, wouldn't it be amazing if we could design South Lake Union like the Pearl District in Portland?
http://www.explorethepearl.com/pearl-map

Thanks for the spelling correction, cheesecake.
Comment by kevinmcc
January 27, 2009
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RE: Thanks for the wave
That's exactly what I was thinking, Kevin. :)

The thing I like most about the Pearl District is that there's a mix of the old and the new. After talking with others living in the neighborhood, I get the feeling that moving SLU in the Pearl District direction is the general hope for most people.

Let's hope that the new zoning guidelines help accomplish this and not create another 'Belltown' or a 'Redmond Campus'. Good luck with your proposal!
Comment by mlloyd
January 28, 2009
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Ditto to cheescake's comment
Yeah, Mirabella may not be in the category of a 400' tower, but man is that thing fugly. While they may have made it livable for our new neighbors, they sure did a wallop on the rest of us, visually speaking. I would have preferred a skinny tower with some open space than to what amounts to a fortified medieval city in my backyard.
Comment by dkonopacki
January 27, 2009
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RE: Ditto to cheescake's comment
I was just at Mirabella for their grand opening, and I think it's great. I don't get why they are the target of the 'pin tower' camp either - is Rollins Street any better?
Comment by kevinmcc
January 27, 2009
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RE: Ditto to cheescake's comment
Rollins Street doesn't stand out as much because it's at the base of a hill, it's also not a full block if I'm remembering correctly. Mirabella is a full block, and it's in a much more prominent location so its much more visible and blocks a lot more views. The worst of the worst for this category though is the Metropolitan Park buildings. From Capitol Hill those things are just one massive striped wall, and it's not the height that makes them so bad, it's the width.
Comment by cheesecake
January 27, 2009
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SELFISH Nimbys vs. the GREATER GOOD
Forgive me for being Mr. BLUNT here, but aren't the folks from LUOA the self serving Mirabellians that not only live in the ugliest, most massive building in Seattle ... they are also the NIMBYS that are really only concerned about preserving their own views. Check out their website and you will see what I am talking about. Wake up people, density is what will save our planet, tall and slender buildings are good, selfish preservation of views ... NOTSOMUCH! Mr. Mayor, do not get suckered by this selfish bunch of NIMBYS, listen to SLUFAN and other community leaders that have the greater good in mind over selfish view protection interests from the vantage of the gawd-awful Mirabella project [and PLEASE, change the zoning so that we dont have to look at another monstrosity like that one.
Comment by JuliaStephens
January 27, 2009
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RE: SELFISH Nimbys vs. the GREATER GOOD
JuliaStephens, forgive me for being blunt, but you don't know anything about me (as a founding director of LUOA). I'm 32 not 62. I don't live in Mirabella, or have anything to do with them.
I'm a RESIDENT of the area, living on a houseboat, where I'm President of the cooperative that makes up 16 houseboats and 10 live aboard sailboats.

I don't have any views to protect, and I tried to run for the 'noble' SLUFAN's board of directors. They had an opportunity to increase their residential representation on the board, and instead they did the opposite, and now only have 1 person (out of 13) on the board who actually lives in the neighborhood.

We're all for density, we're just not all for creating another Belltown. You remember, that neighborhood that got upzoned with promises of amentities to come? Where is the community center in Belltown? How about the schools? The parks and green spaces?
Our zoning proposal calls for:

1) No change in cascade, eastlake, westlake, and the tip of the actual south lake area.
2) Step down height from the lake, from 240' along Denny towards the lake.
3) Keeping the tallest buildings closest to the downtown core.
Comment by kevinmcc
January 28, 2009
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What about amenities + width limits + affordability?
If we want to avoid being another Belltown, then amenities should be the focus here, not height restrictions. And, since several people have pointed out how obtrusive wide buildings are, why not focus on width restrictions instead? Height restrictions raise the cost of living as well. Don't we want an affordable neighborhood too?

I think most of us could get behind support for amenities and support for width restrictions, but the height restriction issue is too controversial without enough benefit, if any.
Comment by Troy
January 28, 2009
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Must read
There are similar discussions going on in several neighborhoods right now that are well worth checking out:

'Ugly-ass' buildings? Two hill developers respond - Capitol Hill Seattle

Liz Dunn's response is 100% dead on.

Those Who Opposed Landmark Status For The Ballard Denny's, Accept Your Punishment - hugeasscity

Can't help but notice some striking similarities to a certain project that was mentioned here.
Comment by rick.s
January 30, 2009
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